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In fandom lingo, shipping refers to wanting and advocating for a romantic relationship between two characters. Their names are typically meshed together into a portmanteau which becomes the name of the ship (think Brangelina). You will read things like “I ship these two!” and “I’m boarding that ship!” meaning the readers want to see the two characters get together. None of these have happened yet. Sometimes there are memes (le understatement).

The Book Devouring Horde has quite the naval force hehe.

“The ships! Tell them about the ships!” from Mary Poppins (1964)

The Metal Rose– the Capital Ship of the BDH. This involves Julie and Derek, and the name is based on the scene from Chapter 11 of Magic Burns, when Derek fashioned her a rose out of a metal coffee can and some nails. Julie has kept the rose all this time, but some of us have carried it in our hearts for 14 long years. Unsurprisingly, Team Metal Rose is pretty hardcore. We would actually go down with this ship. We won’t put our hands up or surrender. There will be no white flag above our doors and omg am I dating myself.

I think probably my favourite example of how deeply invested people are in this ship was during the discussion that followed the bathtub scene in Blood Heir, back when it was a weekly serial. Speculation was rife whether he had seen the metal rose and therefore recognised Julie. And then, someone suggested that Derek would not remember even if he did see it, that it was just a toy, which he forgot 5 minutes after he made, because the scene did not have the same impact for him as it did for Julie.

“You found a way to hurt me” Hannibal says.

Reeling and bleeding from such a vicious attack, Team Metal Rose picked ourselves up and countered with the theory that Derek probably fashions a metal rose every day he thinks about Julie. Every day. Somewhere in Alaska, there’s a Monte Cristo style cave, with hundreds of metal roses in it! Melodramatic, us?!

The few dinghies floating alongside The Metal Rose are Julie/Ascanio and Julie/Yu Fong the dragon. They’re…cute for trying. The Julie/Saiman water raft sank under friendly fire (as in: Kill It With!).

Karakun– the newest and most high tech of the ships.

Commander Karat of House Krahr, favourite cousin of Arland and best friend of Maud, has chemistry with none other than Dagorkun, the Under-Khan of the Hope Crushing Horde. We first met him in Sweep in Peace as the son of the Khanum, and he’s currently visiting Gertrude Hunt as observer of the spousal selection. All they’ve done was stare each other down and agree a couple of times in conversation, but if you’re a shipper you know that means LURVE.

Miss “I’m too sane to fall in love“. Honestly, it’s like she doesn’t know the romance gods are always listening and wants to tempt them!

Anyway, so the BDH thinks the wedding will probably happen in spring, the bride will wear on-the-shoulder syn-armour, and they’ll settle on the space station near Daesyn – because it’s neutral territory in the vampires vs otrokars feud. The assumptions regarding Lord Soren’s reaction when he finds out are getting more hilarious each week. Barrels of espresso might not be enough!

Michella– Arabella ships are the bread and butter of the BDH navy.

Partly fuelled by House Andrews who said that Arabella’s books, if they happen, would feature several possible love interests until she settled on “the One”, the youngest Baylor is shipped with a lot of suitors. The main ones are Michella (Arabella/Record Keeper Michael) and Jiarabella (which evolved to Jingllebella) for either Stephen or Henry Jiang, the Aquakinetic Prime sons of House Jiang. Or maybe a Madero, or the mysterious sibling of Pancakes Montgomery or yet someone new from Ruby Fever…but I have said too much.

All we know is that we want our girl to have her adventures and take us with her!

Penhiro– The ship that must be protected at all cost. Penelope Baylor and Benjiro Heart, Rogan’s second in command, have had a warm and delicate relationship slowly blooming between them. With whispers and careful steps around it, both the Baylors and the BDH want to nurture it at all cost. This one must never feel rough seas.

Recovered at sea– Thought lost forever or shipwrecked, Sweep of the Heart also brought to port, after many years but more awesome than ever, a long awaited HEA. I cannot speak its name here, because I know not everyone reads SotH in serial form and I don’t want to spoil them before the book is published, but it’s in Chapter 9 part 2.

Gorvar and Beast– Speaking of Sweep of the Heart, you (gender neutral) guys… I don’t know about this one. Brings whole new meanings to screwing the pooch (I’m incorrigible, I know!).

 Auul Tzu puppies would be terrifyingly cute, though.

When evil things get injured, sometimes they find this ship: Not a BDH ship, this is my personal yacht, because Mod Prerogatives and all that.

This is Roman, Chernobog’s volhv. He likes his personal space.

His name isn’t even Semionovich, it’s Roman Grigorievich Tihomirov so I got that wrong for a start.

I am Mod R. I *also* like Roman’s personal space.

Apparently, I’ll have to contend with some witch. Pfft. I’ll keep hoping for the NY Times bestseller Volhvs in Moderation!

Let me know in the comments which BDH ship you sail, or forever be known as a lily-livered landlubber hehe.

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  2. First? I’m for Karakun. The diplomatic possibilities are endless! Soren will have a cow, but Maud will point put all the reasons to support it.

      • What I want for Roman is a much better relationship than his parents have. Who with, I don’t care – though he deserves somebody as nice as he is who will also call him on his occasional shit.

        I’m hoping for Luther to end up with somebody. Or at least to be introduced to who he already has, if that’s the case. He’s a hoot and every bit as charming as Roman. Much more my own taste, actually.

          • Roman’s already firmly on a ship. She’s a member of the BDH. They spend their nights charming a huge snake, talking a dark god off a ledge and doing evil things for all the right reasons. We’re…I mean…They’re happy! And Eternal! and ….there’s matching Eeyore pajamas.

        • +1 for Roman and Luther not together necessarily but both to have their HEAs Luther is a big squishmallow tho if Roman did take him on I’d be there for that too. That actually would be a fantastic ship…

    • Team Roman and Luther? I know they love the ladies…. actually have we seen Luther interested in anyone? He can see magic, right? So he can look at Roman and tell he’s not actually evi…. ummm, that he’s actually hotter than fire, and that maybe excuses a bit of Evil??

      • All we need is love, love….Love is all you need….

        I’ll be humming that for a bit. But we all need a positive Happily ever after every now and then.

    • That’ll teach me not to read all the comments in the posts. I hadn’t heard of some of these, or at least hadn’t realized a shipper name had been firmly established for some.

      I suggest Romesome for Roman and someone yet to be named. Your ship will come in, Roman!

  6. Team Metal Rose!! And Arabella with Stephen! Can’t wait for Blood Heir #2 and Arabella’s book!

  8. I am not a huge shipper. I like mayhem and a body count. Magic and adventure. If people end up together , that’s fine, but it’s not that big a deal for me.

    I do like the idea of Karakhun though, just for the complications that could ensue and the snark.

    More Arabella series would be good. More Roman. More Hugh. More Yu Fong – I liked him. Danger and adventure ahoy

    • Yu Fong came in briefly but memorably! There are still people who see him as the new Beast Lord.

      • I think they’ll end up with Desandra Kral as Beast Lady, myself. Ascanio Ferara is better suited to something else.

        I would really like to see that fucked-up childhood he went through acknowledged at some point. By Derek would be good – he had a seriously fucked-up adolescence, but his childhood was better than a lot of kids have, even with his father’s religious mania.

        I can see Yu Fong as running that school he and Julie attended as well as Unicorn Lane.

        What? I make it sound like these are real people to me? Why not? They are.

        • Honestly, I don’t think Desandra wants the position, if she did than Jim wouldn’t be having such a hard time filling it

      • Julie and Yu Fong. Magic Test made him so awesome with her. The way she recognized him and was able to really figure out how he works and just deal with him. The dynamic of the two of them in Magic Test was, to me, more compelling than Julie and Derek. She is romantically infatuated with Derek but I never got the sense of them really knowing each other the way Julie got Yu Fong.

  9. TEAM METAL ROSE!!!! My OTP!

    But I’m also excited for Arabella’s potential romantic adventures, especially after reading an arc of Ruby Fever!

      • How can you not vote for a ship named Jianglebella ???
        As for other ships: The Metal Rose (duh, of course) and Karakun most definitely. Can’t wait for HEAs (after necessary trials and tribulations)

      • I’m jealous. Can’t wait for 23 August. Not sure who would be good for Arabella, but I’m team Metal Rose. Roman deserves someone. His eeyore pjs are the best.

  10. Team Metal Rose, Team Penjiro, the HEA you mentioned, but I’ll leave Arabella’s choice wide open. She’s got plenty of time yet. =)

  11. Penhiro all the way! Penelope had so much heartbreak in her life, she deserves a second love!

    And, of course, Nycasen/Prycati (Prysen Ol + Nycati).

    Also, Mod R – “Gorvar and Baby”? Who´s the baby here – do you mean Beast?

  12. I thought team metal rose was just a given at this point. At some point I think I took one of their comments as “it’s going to happen we just have to be patient” that may just have been me being over optimistic though…

    Also totally for Michella, though I have a hard time reading that and deciding if should be pronounced as “Michelle-uh” (that’s how I would pronounce it purely based on spelling) or “Mike-Ella” since that’s how their names are pronounced…

  15. ALL OF THESE!
    Okay, all of these except Arrabella and a Modero. The Arrabero does not float for me but other than that one I have an entire fleet of ships I’m sailing with.

    • Must confess I don’t really get the Madero ship either- because they’re hotheads? Or maybe it’s a talent thing, but she’s already pretty much invincible in Beast form, I’m not sure the tough skin thing would mix/help Metamorphosis.

      Someone will chime in and set us straight 😀

      • The reason I started Arradero was two fold… One, because I think it would be HILARIOUS. Seriously, just imagine the family squabbles that could ensue from such a strange match up. The other reason is that they are the same type of magic and are, according to the books, primes in metamorphosis magic. I was thinking, what if… There was a Madero that was born smaller, thinner, and brainy? Arabella, during her research of them as enemies found this guy and discovered she actually liked him. Or some crazy happenstance put them together…. This is the reason I ship Arradero

      • Said Madero would have to be a dirty family secret type thing… Just to add a little bit of spice to the soup

    • Why ship Arabella with a House that is slowly breeding the brains out of it? That was an insult given by Rogan, I think. :: sigh:: Really need a re-read but can’t find the time.

  18. “…the bride will wear on-the-shoulder syn-armour”
    You made my day, thank you Mod R 🙂

  19. Ehm, what witch is that? It was my understanding that the witches cannot stand the awesomeness that is Roman. Or, well, they’re actually afraid to be connected permanently to his family.
    I would want to read of a Julie-Yufong reunion, with Derek watching from afar. Dragon vs. whatever kind of wolf he has become. (I still haven’t figured out the clues in the last post::sniffles)

    • We don’t know what witch that is! It may be one not from the Atlanta coven at all.

      This is all Gordon let slip as part of his “Roman has to get the girl”, if you look towards the end of the transcript/video that is linked there (click on “some witch”)

      • Oooh! Well that would explain it. I think no woman in Atlanta would want Roman’s parents for in-laws. Or his father at least. Evdokia is awesome. Real creative curses when provoked.
        Thank you Mod R!

        • To be fair, his family seems to epitomizes disfunction, but if someone came after one of them, they’d find themselves in a world of hurt. Besides, their solstice parties are probably awesome.

      • Maybe one of Elara’s people? Hmmm….

        She would need to like the Eeyore pjs though since the rest of the BDH (myself included) love them on him. 😉

    • I think atm in Sweep of the Heart, Prysen Ol and Nycati are at least seen to be getting a book café together, and Kosandion+ Gaston is a real possibility according to the BDH.

      To be fair, Gaston is skilled in diplomacy, knows the Universe, could double up as a bodyguard in a pinch, and would take great care of his children. Plus he’s a gentleman of adventure, so he could really shake things up in Kosandion’s life!

    • Yes, I second that. I’d love to see the families reacting to Roman coming out.
      Or Yu fong … ah, the possibilities…

    • +1

      Barabas/Christopher is one of my fav BDH ships and i want a sapphic vers of it, and yes i know there is one coming up in HL but barabas and christopher were characters we came to know and love over several books, getting new characters/relationship in 1 book just doesnt hit the same for me, personally 🙁

  22. I am sailing with Karat & Dagorkun for sure. ♡♡♡

    I need to read Arabella’s book(s) to be able to decide on which ship I would be boarding. 🙂

  24. Loved this post. There are so many great characters in the IA world. I can’t wait for Klaus to appear, Dina’s parents to be found and Helen to grow up. I see years of excellent stories-Arabella, Hugh, Arthur and possible new storylines. I am so glad to have found IA books.

  27. I shall firmly remain on Metal Rose. Sink or swim. But I wouldn’t mind hitching a ride on an Arabella ship once I read Ruby Fever and pick a solid candidate. Still not fully convinced of one yet. I literally dropped my phone on the Karat and Dagorkun match up!! I would ride that ship for pure comedic reasons.

  28. Sorry, when the evil star lady was summoned and couldn’t entrance Derek because his heart already belonged to another, it was all over. Boyo just needs to put on his big boy pants and get with it

    • The courting she requested. I am having so many evil delicious ideas about what he’s going to do ????

      • Well, Derek did get into Julie’s house while she was in the bath after almost being cooked like a lobster. He will have to be sneaky going back into Atlanta since he is the beta of Ice Fury (unless he lets go of that position and comes back into the fold with Kate and Curran).

        So…let the sneak fest begin!

        • I almost forgot that if Derek makes Julie mad at him too much, she can always call her uncle Hugh. We all know how much he will enjoy coming to Atlanta to smack some heads together. (cue the evil laugh) 😉

      • Oooooo care to share, Mod R? ????

        I’m curious as to what Julie and Derek’s dating history is like… I can’t really picture Julie dating but maybe she tried to move on? Did Derek see anyone? Were they just pining after each other the whole time? That’s what it seems like. Derek’s in his 30’s though. That’s a long time to be single.

    • lol – I had so much trouble with this sentence because my inner brain pronounced “entrance” with the accent on the first syllable. Took me three tries to pronounce it correctly. And THEN it made sense. 😀

  29. …..and my happy smile for the day! Thanks for such a fun post on all things shipping. ‘-)

  30. Team Metal Rose ALL THE WAY! Love me some Penjiro and I could set sail for Karakun lol!

  31. After reading a Ruby Fever snippet I have slowly started a Frida Linus ship I have yet to tell anyone about.

    I was on jinglebella, but that seems a bit up in the air. So I patiently wait on Penhiro to see which way the wind blows.

  32. I am definitely for most of these ships, but Karakun! This is a new one for me, and full of so many hysterical possibilities. I am FULLY aboard.

    I will admit, that for the unspoken one resolved in Sweep of the Heart, I was always holding out hope for a different pairing….even once I recognized it wasn’t likely. Hopefully one day we’ll get HEAs for the other members of remaining associated characters! (But also, I’m glad those two sorted themselves out.)

    Also, is it bad to admit I’m leaning towards team Michella mainly because I want to know more about Michael?? A man of few words and many secrets, paired with Arabella’s ball of energy and contained rage…it just seems like a good time.

    (My other long-held half-theory is that Augustine is his missing younger brother in disguise – and that, in fact, it’s the older brother that has vanished -therefore making him a potential love interest candidate that Real Augustine could not be.)

    • Missing younger brother? Wait, what? I knew he had a younger brother but don’t remember anything about him being missing…! Also, I seem to remember HA saying at one point that Augustine’s younger brother was way too young for Arabella… I’ve always been on an Augabella ship, although I would accept Michella…

      MetalRose – duh, Penhiro – absolutely, Karakun – from the moment they stepped out of the portal. Also, Kosandion and Lady Wexyn – or the fish.

      • Oh and if I can’t have Roman (I AM willing to share 😉 ) I’m gonna ship Romienna 😀

    • He is just so much fun, and interesting, and long suffering, and cracktastic, and he comes as a package with Cherny, which is totally badass!

      Andrea will forgive me, but she was a fool!

      • sorry, I respectfully submit that the bouda courtship was EPIC. Andrea NEEDS someone who would ttuly understand the baggage that comes with being beastkin and Raphael needs a partner, not an adoring fan.

        HA will find just the right one for Roman

  34. A grand and wonderful post! Personally, I thought that Derek and Julie was OBVIOUS, so I guess I’m Team Metal Rose all the way! As for Karakun, YES. Soren would just be grumbling over which combat style his grandchildren are being taught.

    • Actually, I find myself wondering how they would splice the genes if those two pair up (Karakun). The offspring would have to be GMO, because the Horde goes through some major modifications (depending) that the Vampires just DON’T.

      I mean, if a human can breed with a fish anything’s possible, but I imagine the discussions would be FIERCE!

      • They function- specialise in childhood 🙂

        As far as we know, otrokars, vampires and humans are all the same strain at the root and offspring compatible.

  37. Yup Team Metal Rose (going down with that ship). Magic Stars was such a sweet story for them. (Also yay Dido reference above)

    Former Team Jinglebella prior to discovery BDH, however 2 sisters in a row getting their childhood crush seems too coincidental but I totally dig that weird plot line that Stephen threw out there his family was kung fu masters guarding portal or something and thing that. (I’d have to look it up again) .

    Current team Michella- the BDH knows. After a re-read I totally get it. Hot tattoo guy for the wild sister, yup sold.

    Oddly I have really hopped on a boat for any couples in the clean sweep series. I’m still standing on the dock watching.

    Did we ever get who George married? – sorry not team Sophie (I know I know)

    And for my random curveball ship

    Team Gaston x Unessa. – isn’t Gaston part like tree? And she’s a very sexual dryad ????????. I just wanna keep Unessa #Notsorry

  38. Oh my….I have to on the Vohlv Roman ship…the Eeyore PJ bottoms captivated me. LOL!

  40. Wow. ModR just keeps the cool coming. First we get insider info, then she lets lose the BDH navy.

    AHOY MATEYS!!

    ALL THE SHIPS!! I SHIP THEM ALL!!!

    *waves hands excitedly*

    Ok. Right now “lost at sea” has a special place in my heart. In part because we got it narrated by Gaston . . . who I believe should just summarize random elements of everything HA has written. Kate Daniels as told by Gaston.(This should keep him busy for awhile.) Hidden Legacy as told by Gaston. Kinsmen as told by Gaston.

    Someone pass the rum. (We do get rum, right?)

    • If we go with the Kosandion/Gaston pairing, I could totally see him in that Scheherazade role keeping the Sovereign entertained night after night 😀

  41. May I cast a vote for Gaston and the female werewolf (does she have a name?) shipping? Where WAS he during Kosandion and Ellenda’s “date” hmmmm??? Team MetalRose all the way!! I need an Arabella date/interaction or two before I choose who I think suits her best. Would luuuurve a scene with the “love…bird????s, just ’cause!!!

  42. I’m team Metal Rose all the way! And I’m open on the other ships… I’m looking forward to seeing them set sail.

  43. Team Metal Rose all the way!
    Karakun – would be too hilarious to miss.
    And Arabella with anyone!

    I hope we get a Roman story sometime.

  44. Soren would need the ocean of coffee for the Karakun ship to sail on. 😀 Who needs espresso in a barrel when the ocean will do? Just don’t have him get drunk in Dina’s apple orchard. Arland was enough for those poor trees.

    I enjoy watching what will happen. Let the BDH navy have all the fun. *hears ship horns in the background*

  45. I’m definitely 100% of the Karakun!

    Would also like Gaston to find happiness … hmm maybe a former Galatic tyrant might find space in her cold dark heart for him …. Ponder ponder …

  48. I was hoping Gaston would find love in Sweap of the Heart. Maybe he and Karat? Karaston? Or… Maybe Gaston and Orro could open a tea shop on Baha-char? Tony could be that one customer who has his own table and never leaves. Jack also needs a ship…of course, in my head, whatever love story Jack has eventually will end up devolving into something like a John Wick movie.

  49. I would love Roman to be shipped with… me ???????? Ayyeee! He is my favorite ????

  50. Arabella + Tatyana Pierce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the way.

    Also, if The Metal Rose sinks, I am pretty sure the waves it creates would drown the world. Or it would float right back up like The Black Pearl. It is getting to its destination or it is leaving everything to burn in its wake. Just saying.

    Tony the ad-hal and Desandra Karl, for when the multiverse happens. She would be the one person that gets more reactions out of him, outside his affable daily nature. And keep up with his eating. I feel like there are layers we haven’t seen yet. While he would find her loud & obnoxious & flamazing and the best way to annoy his dad’s also cool nature on a daily basis. Plus ai feel he’d be a pretty cool step dad to the unusual creature that his would be one son is. They’d give up the pack because she’d finally have a functioning family unit of her own and have intergalactic adventures. Anything is possible right?

  51. This is the first I’m hearing about Karakun as a possibility, but I’m already a huge fan!

  52. Can I ship Victoria Tremaine with Linus? Or is that a “killing with fire” trigger? 🙂

      • Because I don’t think Victoria is all bad and I don’t think Linus is all good – so they could totally make it work in the middle 🙂
        The name for this ship would be Victus, which would be pretty apt if those two were to combine powers 😉

        • +1.

          Everyone’s got some baggage. Sure, theirs has lethal anti-theft traps and may be leaking fuming acidic liquid, but it’s just baggage.

          🙂

        • I keep thinking there is something between them, actually. They definitely go way back. If we believe our theory that Linus is the mysterious sperm donor for Victoria and a dual prime (Siren and Hephaestus), then Victoria might also be the person he referred to when he told Nevada that he once had to watch someone he loved go through something similar as Nevada did when she established her House. After the deaths of her parents, Victoria apparently was House Tremaine, so she had no one at all to rely on. Normal people would have friends, but we know her motto: Family is everything. You can trust no one who isn´t family.
          She even said that she intentionally developed her shark persona to survive. And despite Catalina´s intense fear of her, she hasn´t done anything to harm House Baylor. Even the Nevada affair with Rogan´s former buddy seems more like a psychological game to me that was intended to nudge Nevada towards stepping down as head of House Baylor because heading two Houses at once really can´t work out in the long run without merging them into one.
          So, long story short – I see both of them as redeemable villains and I totally get on the Victus ship. Sail onwards to fire and death! (Or maybe a nice vineyard somewhere in the countryside.)

    • I’m new to the BDH so I don’t know, whether there have been any big theories on that part, but I somehow assumed, that Linus was the donor, who fathered Victorias’ son. That’s why he’s so invested in the Baylors. They’re his grandchildren. For some reason, I had the impression, that the man who came to the hospital with Victoria to look at Nevadas’ baby, was Linus.
      So if that is true, Linus and Victoria already are a thing….. sort of.

  53. If the Author Lords ever give their Book Devouring Horde official merch, I nominate Team Metal Rose shirts. I will buy them and I am not alone.

  54. Lollll…I was totally shipping Karakun last week and didn’t even realize it was already a BDH topic (silly me). And of course, Julie and Derek will end up HEA! That’s not even a ship, that’s an immovable mountain!

  55. Thanks for starting my morning off with a song! I’ll be singing all day 🙂

    It’s all about Metal Rose, of course.

  56. Bwahaha! I have to pause, I am laughing so hard!

    “Jingllebella” did me in – to me it sounds like Mod R and HA Daughter #2 co-authored a Christmas novella … I see the BDH howling “take my money!!!!!” It would be so awesome!

    Ahem. Off to recover and finish.

    * big grin *

    Thanks, Mod R!

  58. I am Team Metal Rose (and Team youshutyourmouthaboutJulieshe’sawesome) from way, way back in Magic Games.
    But I had two baaad moments in this post: Julie and Saiman? I threw up a little in my mouth. Saiman does not get a ship. Saiman is forever landlocked. Who would do that to Julie?
    Same for the Maderos, can you even imagine? I mean, they can improve their bloodline – with someone who isn’t the sassiest Baylor sister. UGH. That’s worse than her and Pancakes, and that’s saying a lot (I still love Ilona’s smack down of that idea.)

    • Agreed completely!! Ilona did have a great smack down of that :p and of the Dominion sovereign ending up with his Aunt

    • Agreed about Saiman as currently written. I wouldn’t wish him on anyone other than possibly that pack princess who tried to muscle in on Curran in Europe. But I’m one who considered Hugh a garden-variety sociopath and never understood the attraction. Now I know better.

  59. Oh my goodness, definitely team metal rose!

    **SPOILER**

    It is sweet that Julie is Dereks mate 😀

  63. Derek misses nothing – how could he miss a rose when he didn’t miss how she rode her horse.

    Tony and Gaston? If we are mixing up ?

    Arabella and someone please

    • Well, when he entered her house (I suspect picking locks was part of his training to work Pack security), her rose was buried under her utterly destroyed t-shirt, or camisole, or whatever she had to cut off herself to get into the bath. He didn’t move anything, and wasn’t sitting where he could see it. She was; but if he walked around the tub, he’d have been at a much higher angle and could easily have missed it.

      He wouldn’t know she kept it because she was very careful to keep that secret from him – she knew if she went overboard in any way, he wouldn’t have anything more to do with him.

      Team Metal Rose? Me?? As individual characters, I liked Derek and Julie entirely well – as a pair, I thought they were perfect right from the start.

  64. Thank you, I really enjoyed this…. I am not part of the BDH navy. I have always preferred letting the authors create as they will. I know, how very old fashioned of me.

  65. “Arabella’s books, if they happen, would feature several possible love interests until she settled on “the One”.”

    I love this bit, because while the destination of HEA is marvellous and I’m all for it, it really can’t hurt to take the scenic route there 😉

  66. I agree we really need more gay ships. I think Roman is pansexual so could end up with anyone who has an open enough heart to get him and accept his god and the balance he keeps.

    Gaston is also a good pansexual character. He could love anyone. Kosandion is a great idea. He is made up of so many different beings. He might really go for Gaston’s silver eyes and razor teeth.

    Why couldn’t Arabella end up with a woman? And have many kids? Though a possible younger brother to Pancakes is a brilliant idea – didn’t he have a younger sister too?

    • I’ve always thought of Luther as either queer, or in the least, uninterested “that way” with any of the women he interacts with on page.

    • Arabella always came off like the “im interested in men through a screen but not in real life” type so i always envisioned her a lesbian, i was so disappointed when they announced she was hetero for sure lol

  67. I am totally and permanently Team Metal Rose!!!!! Having said that though, this is all awesome, and I would gladly set sail on most of these! Thank you, Mod R….very entertaining! ????

  69. I have begrudgingly bought a ticket for passage on Metal Rose. Once Blood Heir came out, I knew Yu Fong was officially, canonically out of the running.

    I find it interesting that canon shipping doesn’t get a lot of chatter. But that’s true in almost every fandom. I guess once the source material shows that said ship has officially sailed, there’s no need to keep pondering about it.

    No investment in any others. Gotta say, I didn’t see Karat and Dagorkun coming so that’s a thing.

    • Addendum

      Except Penhiro because DUH. This is probably the closest we get to canon shipping here so far.

      Well aside from the pair revealed in our current serial.

  70. All the above but also I need a “Pancakes Montgomery” ship (lol on the name!) and a Jack ship! I was ALL the ships!! A fleet of ships – an armada!

    • Augustine is shipped with Diana Harrison, Cornelius’ sister, by those who wish him well.

      The ones who still begrudge him for his treatment of the Baylors are evil-laughing at the possibility of him and Lenora, only because he is terrified of her 😀

      Team Dark Horse is saying Lina, his receptionist. Because Silver Shark vibes.

      All we know from House Andrews is that there is someone, and he doesn’t even know it yet.

      Draaaaaaaamaaaaaa *high note*

      • wow, I completely missed all these Augustine ships! I wanna ship him with Michael Lattimore. They both have had to deal with tough family issues.

        • I like to imagine an Augustine + Cornelius pairing. They both seem to be good with family but I think there is a lot of chance for hilarity with Augustine and pets.

          • yes! Augustine would have to up his game because so far, animals can penetrate his illusions by smell. He’d be annoyed, intrigued and challenged simultaneously. And it would be good for Cornelius and Mathilda. Could not at all be seen as a replacement for Mom.

      • I like Lina, I don’t even know why, but I think she has a great potential – regardless of her relationship with Augustine. Though… I wouldn’t be opposed to that (yeah, I loved Silver Shark…????).

  71. Definitely team Metal Rose for a long time! Also strongly favor Penhiro; that needs to happen. Karakun is fun to hope for, and why shouldn’t Gorvar and Beast have their moment in the sun? Imagine Gertrude Hunt craziness with added puppies! Her Grace and Helen would each have to have one…

  72. Mod R, you are quite simple the best! Thanks for organizing our motley navy in such an organized fashion. Although, I think the Metal Rose isn’t so much a ship as an indestructible battle cruiser that has already launched. Other than that, I am a Michella fan and have a very, very tender spot for Penhiro.

    As a librarian, my job is to find out what motivates readers and help them find books that meet their needs. For myself, I am motivated by characters and relationships. Sigh. I am always shipping some couple!

  73. Okay… I’m throwing a new ship into the water:

    Leon and Alessandro’s sister!

    Think about it. Lonely, moody yet tender hearted black sheep marksman, and Alessandro’s sister. She was her brother’s contact. Knows everything her brother went through. Refused to do it any more because she couldn’t take the risk of losing her little brother.

    And she’s probably an Antistati, too. So she could be an assassin in her own right!

    And they meet when she comes for Catalina’s and Allesandro’s wedding!

    You gotta ship these two! DO EET!

  74. I am so glad I am not the only one who loves Karat/Dagorkun. Wouldn’t that set the cats amongst the pidgeons, eh? Also, not a ship, but how about Caldenia for the post of Holy Ecclesiarch? Hehehe.

    • OMG 😀

      I have seen people who love to watch the world burn nominate Lady Wexyn for Holy Ecclesiarch, but Caldenia?!

      That’s even more chaos, I love it 😀

      • Lady Wexyn as Ecclesiarch would simply love all her flock the most. No world-burning.

        Maybe some some of the stodgier adherents would burst a few blood vessels …

  75. I am not a shipper one, because I think House Andrews does what they want and always surprises us, and two, because I feel like I’d get MY heart broken if the two people didn’t end up together. That said, for sure I can’t wait to see what happens with Julie’s story!!

    Re George and his story, can somebody please point me to where the crossover universe is explained? I’ve re-read the Sweep books in the last few months and am totally missing how Sweep crosses over with George’s universe and when they all met (other than the snippets in the serial we are reading now). Thank you!!

  76. Arabella and MICHAEL? Who are you people?! Arabella OBVIOUSLY belongs with Stephen Jiang. Call it Araphen, call it Stephabella, but it’s clearly fate.

    Also, how are we even still debating Derek and Julie? Team Metal Rose cannot be stopped.

    Karakun… Mmmm. I don’t know about Karakun. Maybe Karat and Gaston. Yeah, I’ll throw Karaston in the mix.

    (all of the above are obviously meant to be in good fun – but also, SERIOUSLY, not kidding) (mostly)

        • Michael is a bit old for Arabella as is Stephen. I think the movie star younger brother is the match to date.

            • When first met, Michael was described as “in his mid20’s” in Wildfire, when Arabella was 15. It is possible that Michael is still in his mid 20’s, but that would make things even weirder. Is there a timeline discrepancy?

              • No, it’s Nevada’s usual overestimation of ages combined with his style of clothes and demeanour which made him seem more mature. He was only 19 when we first met him ????

    • If this is a ship for the rest of the BDH likes, then please do not say Stephabella. It sounds like an antibiotic resistant bacterial infection. I do not think we need a ghost ship in the BDH waters. 😀

  77. somehow i read the whole thing hearing capt jack sparrow. its eother too much rewatching pirates of the carribean or a hang over from the trials of the depp seas ????????????

  78. I think it would be tremendous fun for a Karat and Dagorkun ship, but their ways of life are so different. Who would live with whom? I somehow don’t see either one being willing to give up their world. Can you see Dagorkun wearing armor or Karat not wearing armor? Nope. I say that knowing that HA has worked other miracles. I flatly never thought I could like or respect Hugh, but I do.

    I figure Julie and Derek are a given after MUCH ANGST and many monsters and/or gods killed. Hehe. Julie and Ascanio, nope. He’s become an AH. It would be fun to see the dragon again, but he’s too minor a character at the moment. I always have to look up his name as it never sticks in mind.

    Arabella. Aaaahhhhh, I do hope there are some plans for her book(s). She has such possibilities. Maderos – nah, the Maderos are truly idiots and bullies and there’s no way Arabella would be even slightly interested. She needs someone both smart and politically capable and frankly, not from an old house. Too set in their ways for the most part. I can’t see Stephen Jiang, either, as he’s way too wrapped up in taking care of his family and company and making sure no one does anything out of the ordinary. Heh. Arabella would not fit in.

    I maybe could see record keeper Michael, but he’s kind of a blank. We’ve seen him only rarely and only running errands for the Record Keeper. I could maybe get behind Arabella and Michael Latimer, but he may be too old for her. I get the feeling he’s Rogan’s age group and for all we know, he has a wife or girl friend.

    So I vote for Arabella and someone totally new to us. And yes, Penhiro, too, altho that’s best whispered, heh.

    • I have the exact misgivings for Stephen Jiang. He is so wrapped up in his House and their reputation. I don’t want Arabella to be second fiddle in someone’s interests!

      • But that’s exactly why it would be compelling! House Jiang and Baylor agency get thrown together again with high stakes and shenanigans and Stephen and Arabella act as foils to each together. Arabella is also deeply loyal and I never got the impression that Stephen was particularly happy with playing the optics game. The pairing doesnt force either to truly sacrifice anything, just adjust. And bam! Both extremely engaging plot and HEA.

  79. Team Metal Rose forever ! How can you not be TMR?

    I’m also a little bit Team Karakun, but not super invested. A bit Michella but am in favor of her exploring all her options and intrigued by a new Ruby Fever character about which you’ve said too much.

  81. Metal Rose!!!!

    Michella!!!!!

    Karakun!!!!

    I will go down with all 3 of these ships with no white flag!

  82. Face it, Mod R. You’re in love, and always will be.

    (Oddly experiencing a resurgence on FB videos.)

  83. Cannot wait for Arabella to fall for…well, I’m not quite sure, but it will be spectacular, knowing HA. Especially considering all the grief she’s given everyone else about relationships. Ah, karma! Feel the same about Karat. It will make me smile a lot.

    And Roman…don’t care who, I just want to see him HEA. Even if his mother does spoil him (dry hems), he’s got a tough row to hoe and it doesn’t seem like it’s one he necessarily would have chosen for himself.

    Julie and Derek…. They’ll finish their dance one way or another and it will make total sense however it ends because that is how HA rolls.

    As for Gorvar, so long as I get dibs on a cub/puppy it’s all good.

    • I fully expect Derek and Aurelia to end up with a very large family. They need some fun responsibilities to balance their serious ones.

  85. I quietly feel that I may have inspired this post with a question on the meaning of shipping on the previous thread.

    Whoever recommended Chronicles of Elantra on the book Rec thread, Thankyou. I am on book 5 and shipping Kaylin and Severn.

    Also love Derek and Julie. Now that Nalini Singh has finally bought Ilium and Aodhan together, I can relax and wait for Julie/Derek’s courting.

  86. Definitely the “recovered at sea” ship … mostly because the characters are from the edge series which I personally love. Not to disparage ANY of the other books & series cuz I love those as well.

    The “Metal Rose” ship (in my mind) is at port like Kate & Curran or Nevada & Rogan or Andrea & Raphael it just needs the details shared =P (or it’s at least in the harbor). If for some reason this ship doesn’t reach port while under harbor pilot control/tug then I foresee a serious raid/uprising of the BDH with pitchforks torches & all the firepowa’z.

    The other HL ships are fun but feel like they are just starting the journey this is probably because the girls Catalina and Arabella are (were) sorta young

    I was surprised no mention of Catalina & Alejandro… Catalina hiding them because of her habit of being “low key” and not attracting attention or the Horde could be affected by her Siren Magic.

    • Catalina and Alessandro is canon already after Emerald Blaze, we’re sticking to the ones that haven’t yet gotten together on the page 🙂

  88. With all due respect to ModR, I am going to ship RomOra. Roman’s dark job needs balance. I vote for one of the Oracles (Maiden?) or perhaps one of the children of the Oracles (other than Mom) that we haven’t met yet. Roman’s family would be scandalized. The Oracles could not have predicted the match and so would be annoyed. It would be great! (Also, note that we do not yet know who/what Roman is attracted to–female, male, light, dark, powers, homebody?

  89. Hahahaha! I’m in it for the Flower of the Nile and Kates aunt along with the man courting her, as the head of the Order of Knights of Merciful Aid. 🙂 Sorry can’t remember their names just the titles.

  90. Ooo. I ship all of the above that aren’t insane (like Michella….).

    I’m just now realizing a new ship I have. Yu Fong and Siena the oracle.

    Also, I have to state in as many places as possible how much I long for Arabella books. Please please, may the writing muses bring inspiration to HA regarding Arabellas POV while being funny and taking no shit. Her short stories left me rabid for more.

  91. My votes are for:

    The Metal Rose
    Karakun
    Penhiro and you’ll have to fight me for the Roman ship. I love him and can’t wait until he gets his own book.

  92. Team Metalrose all the way! And I must admit I am kind of hiding in the lifeboat of Karakun… it would just be so much fun ????

  94. DEFINATELY Team Metal Rose – Julie/Derek must end up together; although Julie mixing it up with Yu Fong will be a great segway to Julie and Derek finding their forever love. However, in the Sweep series; NO ONE can get married until we see Maud walk down the aisle, and of course Dina & Sean – maybe a double wedding.

  95. I enjoyed the “regatta”, and seeing all the ships. 🙂

    I find it startling that the BDH is doing pretty-much just traditional male/female ships … where’s your breadth and imagination? With the examples of some non-traditional relationships in side-characters (Patricia & Regina, the Nathers in White Hot), it would be cool if the authors had Arabella do some questing (or questioning) …

    Or Roman +the dragon (there is obviously affection there) … yes, I am being silly. Dut what would that ship be named … Droman? Romgon?

    Thank you for the fun post!

  96. Mod R, your posts are one of the many reasons I live being part of the BDH!
    TEAM METAL ROSE FOR LIFE!!! (this is being whisper yelled so I don’t freak out the toddler)
    Team Michelle!
    Team ship recovered!!!!!!!
    Team Penhiro (siiiigh) I love Benjiro!
    Is there a ship yet for Jazz fish?

  99. I have purchased a first class cabin (with veranda and personal steward/stewardess service) on the good ship Karakun.

    The Penhiro is a meandering canoe trip on a lazy waterway with stops on the bank for catered lunch, tea, whatever the hearts desire. I will follow closely.

    I have cabins on hold on the Michella and Jingllebella both. Time will tell which I choose.

    And lastly, the possibility of the SS Roman Grigorievich Tihomirov is quite exciting ????

  100. “There will be no white flag above our doors….. [Metal Rose]’s in love, and always will be” 😉

  101. I haven’t seen a post about a ship for Cornelius! Is he too old for Arabella? Corella? Na, too close to dish ware name. Aralius?

  102. Well, if four years in the Navy in a Fleet Rate without stepping foot on a ship did not make it clear that I was doomed to die a landlubber, this does the job. (Even though I love the line “a tall ship and a star to steer her by.”) Aside from the obvious ones I have no preferences for them. And I truly loved the HEA that must not be named at this time. It was/is glorious.

  106. This is just so funny! I love this post and the possibilities! I am also Team Metal Rose and I hope that whoever Karat falls for, falls just as hard for her!

    Your drawing of you and Roman is the best! LOL!

  107. It would be more correct to say “In pop culture lingo” instead, because shipping is not limited to characters in a book or movie.

  108. Arabella and Lina, Augustine’s assistant … or is Lina really his a well placed sister? :O

    Could be fun – at least for a fling and curveball for all the hotties!

  109. This blog post made my day. Thank you, Mod R ????

    And Team Metal Rose, duh. Like there could be any other!

  110. Karakun would be a blast, just for the consequences. As far as I am concerned, Metal Rose is a must, Michella is really worth exploring, Michael being such an enigma, and Penhiro would be so sweet – Penelope deserves to find happiness again. So many possibilities, so little time!!!

  111. I definitely sail the Metal Rose ship! But I don’t think the rose is as special to Derek as it is for Julie or us. He said in Blood Heir that she was a little kid and that they were a good team. So I think that he’s romantic feelings for her has awoken with Aurelia because like she said to him “That man didn’t want Julie Olsen, but here we are, with you staring at me like you need me to keep breathing.”

    I also sail the Jingllebella ship, it looks like a mighty fine ship 🙂

    • In Magic Stars (? one of the short stories) he is immune to the enchantment magic because he has already given his heart to another. And this did not surprise him.

      • Ok, I thought it said that he belong to someone else and I wasn’t sure if it meant that he “belonged” to Kate (some lingering bond from the binding) I never really thought that it meant Julie ????

    • I agree- I don’t think the rose is as special for Derek as it is with Julie, but I do think he would be touched that she still has it. Derek shows Julie affection in his own way but I need Kissy face to happen before I believe that TMR has set sail.

    • I am sailing with you on that ship! Although I am very friendly towards the Karakun ship as well.

  114. Who else was singing when they read “ We would actually go down with this ship. We won’t put our hands up or surrender. There will be no white flag above our doors” ????????????
    Team MetalRose – always and forever ????

  116. IDK how spoilers are handled for books released in serial, because I understand some people are reading and some aren’t. But I just want to mention the items in this post regarding “recovered at sea” are a spoiler I wish I never saw :(. The original post alluding to a long-awaiting HEA (without clicking the link) gave me enough information to make an educated guess. Then there were a couple comments that all but verified my guess. I understand if my takeaway needs to be I just can’t have the expectations that things won’t be spoiled when a serial is going on and I need to avoid the blog. Just wanted to mention that this specific situation took me beyond what I would have wanted to know in a post that I thought was spoiler-safe. Will still continue to adore House Andrews and Mod R.

    • I am sorry you were spoilered against your will. But I hop it’s a little consolation for you, that the story behind the recovered ship is fantastic and you will love it and I swear, you won’t be able to guess, how that recovering was done! Enjoy waiting for it ????

  117. What about Lord Soren? He deserves love and companionship! Someone strong enough to offset the shock of his daughter’s intended…

  118. What about Marland? The BDH started that ship the minute Maud decapitated someone in front of Arland during One Fell Sweep.

    • Yes, but Maud and Arland are pretty set as a canon couple. These are strictly those who have not come to pass on the page (yet).

  120. Karakun: Maud will convince the entirety of House Krahr that Lady Karat has executed the diplomatic coup of the millennium by assuring future mutual military and diplomatic ties between House Krahr and Dagorkum’s family. Then Dina and Her Grace will convince Khan and Khanum that Dagorkum has executed the diplomatic coup of the millennium for the same reasons. There will be some spectacular battles between members of the two families at the wedding, and the wedding will be remembered as the social event of the millennium, and everyone not in attendees will choke on their envy every time they are reminded they weren’t there.

  122. Team Metal Rose is a hill worth dying on!

    Penhiro makes my heart happy.

    I am leaning toward Michella – Arabella needs someone whose magic is as intimidating as hers. But if someone new shows up in Ruby Fever, then I will have an open mind.

    Roman needs a partner.

    I also think Tatyana Pierce and Cornelius would be a good pairing.

      • They’re not really direct enemies, more like enemies by association. Both were “victims ” of Adam and his mother–manipulation, cruelty, homicidal tendencies. I think the conversation they had during the swamp investigation showed each other their scars. Maybe not shipworthy but something?

    • So, is it a Tatyelius ship? Or Coryana? I like both names and would like a place on this ship. It would also be an interesting story to read, how this will come to pass ????

  123. ‘Auul Tzu puppies would be cutely terrifying’ would be a great deal more accurate.

    As to Derek not remembering the rose: Even if he doesn’t (which could have a lot of potential causes having nothing to do with indifference), judging from the multitude of artists and craftspeople who have passed through my life, he would damn well recognize his own work!

    • Oh, yes. I have no particular opinion on who Arabella ends up with, since my own personal favorite is apparently aged out of the race; but I want her to have her own trilogy.

  124. Team Metal Rose always!!!

    Can’t wait for Arabellas story, but right now I have not joined any ships yet. But I have this crazy idea that she will get accidentally pregnant, because of how she said she was never, ever getting pregnant after being with Nevada at the hospital. And I know that her mom and sisters will have made sure she knows all about birhtcontrol, but her magic is so different and maybe that would mess with it. Like I said, crazy idea but after her saing never, ever, ever, it could be a fun twist to her story.

    Also more Roman please 😀

  125. O.M.G Mod R, you have captured the flotilla nicely….although I think of Penhiro as a nuclear powered missile carrying submarine. After all, Pen is a distance sharp shooter (aka ICBM)and Benjiro is stealthily navigating the the mines…and the family can only infer what is happening below the surface.

    And as a hard core Team Metal Rose adherent…Derek does not have a heap of metal roses, he has one…that as you twirl it between your fingers, it also reveals a profile of Julie.

    Baylor women get their men, and I think that Jinglebella will rule!

    The good ship “Unmentionable Here” must be a cruiser…Modern cruisers are generally the largest ships in a fleet after aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships, and can usually perform several roles.-Wikipedia

  126. It would be fun if, in some universe, We could have ArrrJack, where Arabella ships with George’s brother Jack (the cat shifter).
    This bit was sooo much fun. Thanks.

    • I shipped Jackabella for a long time, just seems right, but no crossovers that’s way will happen, sadly.

  128. I ship someone awesome for Linus Duncan (Bern’s girlfriend’s mom sounded like a match). I ship parenthood for Ghastek and Rowena (can’t Hugh help things along for them? They need an HEA with triplets). I ship a retired NASA engineer for Mrs. (grandmother) Afram.

  130. I just crashed on my couch, scrolled down my emails, and then found your post. You put instantaneously a smile on my face. Because, you know, you’re funny, and kind of amazing.
    And then, gift of the gifts, a picture of Mads Mikkelsen. I’m like the biggest fan of the man, totally crazy about him. Like you with Roman level. So yeah I’m totally team métal rose, and team Penhiro, and anything involving Roman, but first of all, I’m a Mads girl. Just wanted to add my part, lol

  131. Ok, first of all, the post itself is delightfully written and made me laugh several times, thank you Mod R. Now about the various boats floating around:

    The Metal Rose is not just a ship, it is unsinkable tanker, people who see other sails on the horizon have been smoking something funny, probably.

    Karakun is sailing among the stars with gleeful determination, much like Arland’s destroyer, and I’m all for it, mostly because i want to see what new and never heard of colour Lord Soren’s face will display.

    As for Arabella, I think all of her ships will go Titanic on us, but that’s totally fine, we’ve had enough one true love from first book – give me hilarious aventures and I’m on board.

    Btw, whoever came up with Gorver/Beast is loony and “screwing the pooch” keeps cracking me up.

  132. Metal Rose!!!!
    Also, I really really want a book or novella detailing the ship which was recovered at sea. Prettiest of pleases.
    Loved this post Mod R! Thanks for keeping up the blog while HA is away!

    • Yes! It wouldn’t even have to be that long, but I would love to see thing unfold firsthand. I have a feeling it would be epic.

  133. Anyone else want to sail on ship Romanna with me ???? (Roman and Savannah, from Iron and Magic) ????

    • yes! I’m there, although Savannah is going to be unamused by Chernobog’s pet snake. (Do NOT lick my face).

  134. Team Metal Rose, since the very scene where he made it for her. But have a soft spot for Roman

  136. Karakun. Yes! Penhiro. Yes. My ship is Lady Wexyn and Resven aka Rexyn. *Rofl* I´m very happy because my favorite ship in KD series is finally canon. Nisandra! But I really need the details. Or at least Jim’s reaction. *Lol*

  137. I’m on a life raft loosely connected to the Metal Rose ship. These days my memory is not good enough to (somewhat) keep track of more ships then this one. Also I’m tired and words are hard.

  138. Mod R, I hope you had as much fun writing this as I had reading it!
    Now to start on 254 comments for something posted only a couple of hours. ????

  139. Oooh, here is my ship : Johanna and Stoyan from Iron and magic. I have big hopes for these two.

  140. Team Metal Rose forever????????

    But hey you forgot Desandra and Nick. And because of Desandra and Nick I am aboard Karakun. The sparks are there waiting to be lit. At least Karat and Dorukan aren’t trying to kill each other.

  141. Oh the ships we sail!

    Team Metal Rose always and forever. This is my hill I’m dying here.
    Michella for sure
    Karakun oh yes
    Penhiro because they definitely deserve it.

    Someone for Roman and a long awaited hea in swoth….could it be for W? I will wait and see but Roman definitely needs someone ???? someone cool.

  142. I see the long awaited HEA in sweep ….that was something I was not expecting but love absolutely

  143. I loved this post, Moderator R! I’m team Penhiro and The Metal Rose, but have to admit to being surprised by Nick/Desandra and would like to know how that came about.

  145. The ship I sail is definitely Michella – Arabella and Record Keeper Michael for the win!

    Other ships I sail for are Team Metal Rose (Julek? Derrie?) and Karakun! And Penhiro! Not sure about Beast and Gorvar, more due to the size disparity than anything (that pooch would be screwed for sure, ouch!).

    Also, you look lovely in that meme with Roman, Mod R… just lovely!

  146. Definately on Michella! No… wait. I want to board the Metal Rose too! and the Karakun! OMG why are you making me choose?

  148. Team Metal Rose from Day 1!! Anything else floating in the sea will be left on our wake of inevitability.

  149. Mod R! I’m shocked madame! Aren’t we keeping things PG at least? “Volhvs in Moderation” would be a very naughty title haha *in!* I love it! 😀

    I’m down for all the stories and ‘ships that House Andrews will give us. ‘Ships like these are what fanfic is for. XD

    PS- why is August so faaaaaaar away?!

  150. “They’re…cute for trying.”
    Made me laugh out loud.
    Thanks Mod R, I needed that today.

  151. I’d love to be on team Roman, but it can’t be a ship yet, because it’s just him. So I will go with my close second: KARAKUN. Loving them. <3

  153. I loved this. Having read the blogs, no spoilers, but hope a more In Depth short story, whole novella or novel could be devoted to “recovered at sea”….

  154. I am not a fan of team metal rose (cue the pearl clutching) – I would prefer both of them to move on.

    I would love to see Karat and Dagorkun…

    and of course: hope (or the dark god’s demands) springs eternal and I would love a Roman book.

  155. Metal Rose foreva ! ????????
    And Penhiro obviously, I want love and care and healing and more love ????

  156. Definitely here for Karat and Dagorkin! Fun fireworks!
    I would gleefully read another trilogy with Roman and…whomever pops their head up for HA to ‘discover’.
    Arabella, please let her have snarky fun before the ‘one’. I want to enjoy her youth with her.

  158. I’m definitely on The Metal Rose, Penhiro, and Karakun, but torn between Michella and Jiarabella. I liked Stephen Jiang a lot and love picturing the scene when he jumps off the roof to save Marat from the Pit. But don’t we all love the strong silent types too?

    • sorry, I respectfully submit that the bouda courtship was EPIC. Andrea NEEDS someone who would ttuly understand the baggage that comes with being beastkin and Raphael needs a partner, not an adoring fan.

  160. Can I just say that this blog post is EVERYTHING… just what I needed to put a smile on my face..

  161. I am all about Metal Rose!! I have been finding it difficult to maintain decorum and not badger HA weekly, asking when we might anticipate the next book in that series. I am tied up in knots, waiting to see what happens next for Julie and Derek!!

    I also find myself firmly behind Karakun. It has such a Romeo and Juliet vibe. ???? It also holds so many delicious possibilities with all of the family members from each side! Arland faced difficulties when he brought Maud (the human) home, but at least she wasn’t a member of the Hope Crushing Horde!! Oh the possibilities for drama that exist with Karakun!!! ????

  162. This whole post was amusing as hell

    Love all the ships
    And so does Michael…don’t you Michael?

  165. Team Metal Rose because Julie/ Aurelia andDerek deserve their HEA.

    I’m not sure about Karakun. So far I see Karat and Dagorkun as friends and allies but not necessarily romantic partners. I like that Dina’s inn has become somewhere where members of rival/ enemy groups can forge acceptance of, and sometimes friendship towards, different “others”. So much better than always resorting to war to resolve differences.

    Yes please to a Roman and Gordon’s “ that witch girl” story.

    Some characters who I can’t ship yet because I haven’t seen a suitable partner among the characters we’ve met so far but whom I would love to see featured in future stories are Karat, Klaus, Gaston and Jack from the Innkeeper universe. Plus I hope Chef Adri produces a niece or granddaughter who could keep Orro in line. If we jump 20 years in the future than Helen’s adventures would be fascinating!

    In the Hidden Legacy world I definitely want Arabella to have her HEA but I share other posters’ hesitancy about Stephan Jiang. He seems too preoccupied with family status to be accepting that under Arabella’s cute appearance is a ball of anger that manifests as the Beast of Cologne. I worry his family would see her as a monster and this would sour the relationship.

    I do want Penelope to have her happy ending with Benjiro.

    I would love to see Augustine in a tangle over someone ( Cornelius’s sister Diane?) . He spends so much effort presenting a particular image to the world it would be great to see him unravel over a love interest.

    Plus Leon and maybe Alessandro’s sister.

    Plus more Kinsmen please, especially Ramona’s brother Karion’s story. Hopefully the story will include some Easter eggs that tell us how Claire and Venturo and Meli and Celino are faring. Don’t know who to ship Karion with but his loyalty to Ramona won my admiration.

    House Andrews has written such interesting worlds and great characters that I can see years of self published novellas exploring those characters’
    adventures.

  166. Isn’t it the best on how they now us so well we will look for all and await for them and there joinery.

  168. Team Metal Rose and Team Michella. Karakun is sweet, but I feel like Soren and the Khan family are going to need an Arbitrator to negotiate most things, even simple questions like what happens if a major Vampire holiday falls on an Otrokar holiday? And don’t get me started about Soren and the Khanum as grandparents. It would be hilarious, but I feel for Dagorkun and Karat too much to give them that kind of crazy.

  169. So. I am apparently one of the “cute” ones. I was shipping Julie – Yu Fong, as a step on the road to ultimate Julie – Derek.

    And I have patiently been waiting for Roman’s ship for a long time now. I will steadfastly ignore that beach doodle.

  172. Mod R – thanks so much for this awesome post with pics. I especially loved the one of you and Roman. I am SO jealous.

    Team Metal Rose all the way!!! Actually I thought this was a done deal, don’t know what I will do if anything happens to rock the boat.

    Would love to have separate books for Roman, Gaston and Jack with their own ships.

  173. The whole thing made my whole week, which has be shite!

    But seriously can you imagin “Lord Soren’s reaction when he finds out are getting more hilarious each week. Barrels of espresso might not be enough!” Bhahahahah

  175. OMG – this was awesome – Team Metal Rose – I want to go to that cave in Alaska! 🙂 Thank you Mod R!

  176. Roman, Roman, Roman! He definitely needs a ‘troou luuv’.

    Also I think Gaston is worthy of love and humour with some saucy, possible cranky werewolf wench;)

    Even if they are just tiny snippets, to allow us to completely go overboard with insane amounts of hope.

  177. Karakun so far. I just think it would be funny because Karat didn’t seem like someone who was good at learning about other peoples cultures. Which means there’s a good chance humour would ensure. She might actually fit into Otrokar’s culture.
    The biggest is probably because I really want to see how she’s gonna do with riding.????????????
    Her getting accidentally pregnant would be… like… the funniest thing EVER! No?????????????

  180. I’m totally team Metal Rose, BUT…
    I don’t believe that Julie and Derek should become a couple quite yet. I want them both to develop feelings for somebody else first. I want them to know, that they can be happy without one another. I want them to choose each other because they’re best with each other, not because they’re lost without each other.
    In my Ideal fantasy, Julie would meet someone whom she likes quite a bit, for whom she develops a genuine affection, and who would also be a great political alliance for her. They would become engaged, and then, the engagement would break for external reasons, for instance, because politics demand it and they have also grown apart due to divided loyalties. Because sometimes, relationships break even though people remain affectionate toward each other because of logistics and other circumstances. And I want something similar for Derek. I want them both to know for certain, that they are capable of loving someone else and that they could find genuine happiness with somebody else.
    And then I want them to acknowledge, that even though they could be happy and content apart, together they are happiest and strongest. And They would discover that, by overcoming the exact difficulty, which broke their other relationships.

    I’m pretty sure, that’s not gonna happen though. They’re on a roll now and they are not gonna slow down XD. I still hope though, that they will choose one another instead of feeling that they need one another.

  181. I am shipping you and Roman for sure, that would be true R&R!

    Penhiro is my favorite ship, then Team Michella all the way

    Still squeeing about Chapter 9 too.

  185. The HEA’s are consistently done right in IA books. Roman’s will be really fun. Even if it only ever exists in my head, but yeah… Roman and someone amazing. “Volvs in Moderation “ ha! ???? you’re the best Mod R!

    Karat protests too much so we know she’s doomed. Lol

  188. Team Metal Rose here! And I sang along to your song lyrics … showing my age haha
    I need a Team Metal Rose t-shirt haha

  190. Penhiro and metal rose.
    Although, ahem, if not love and just marriage, Sean needs to marry the emperor and fix everything. Werewolves get a home at last with the empire. The empire gets his awesome dna and he can live at “peace” with Dina. At least no werewolves barging in to propose to him. The power of the empire behind them to locate her parents and rescue Wilmos.

  191. I know it’d be an illegal crossover, but Roman and Wexyn would be such fun to see on an adventure together.

    • Oooo!! Who else but lady wexyn is brilliant and sneaky and diplomatic enough to handle Evodokia as an overprotective, meddling mother in law!!!

  192. Team Metal Rose for sure. I’d like to see Roman with someone (the witch who partnered with him to hold off the People/Hugh, seemed promising. LOL)
    Beast puppies would be DARLINGS, so a go for that ship. 🙂

  193. This was hysterical. I didn’t even realize there was a Gorvar & Beast ship ready to sail!?

    Mod R, you are a treasure.

  195. Team. Metal. Rose. All. The. Way.

    And I don’t read Innkeeper till it’s in book form so I don’t know the long awaited HEA Mod R mentioned…but I have one in mind that I desperately hope it turns out to be!

  196. And Mod R you have some hilarious posts! I will board ur Roman/Mod R ship! 🙂

    Hear that House Andrews? Haha

  197. ????All????Of????The????Above!! Ok, minus Gorvar/beast, unless there are some sex changes, but that’s just about logistics!!

  198. Awesomeness plus on this post totally on board the Karakun ship that would be fantabulous,
    Love the Jingllebella ship, aslo Penhiro

    Gorvar and Beast well I’m thinking a petrie dish might have to be involved in that scenario
    ???? and as for the mysterious chapter 9 part 2 ????‍♀️

  199. Team Jiarabella forever. Stephen of course!

    Also would love to have more Roman stories. He’s too adorbs not to have his own HEA.

  201. I’m Team Metal Rose, but I don’t want a direct path. They both have issues and it’s fun to see Ascanio lose his composure!

    I like Karakun, but I think the real joy there comes from Caldenia in a sort of mother-in-law role and how Karat might deal with it. I’m giggling like a maniac just thinking of it!

    Michella also appeals because I’d like to know more about Michael. I think they both have a ruthless edge that could work, if it didn’t get it of hand.

    Penhiro ask the way!!!

    Love the SotH ship a hope we haven’t seen the last of it!

    Gorvar and Beast: my question would be who would they live with? Would Wilmos move into the inn? Would they split custody? That one comes with several difficulties, but could be fun.

    Roman needs his own story and love! That book will be hilarious!

    Can’t wait to see how it all turns out!!!

    • I misunderstood Karakun, but I still support it. That would be awesome, but I really would love to see Caldenia mentor a new and hostile bride.

      • I have a feeling one of her mentoring sessions would involve telling the bride to keep poison on hand.

  202. Small Magics. I ship Siroun and Adam. I want more of Siadam. The short story was captivating (as all House Andrews’ writing is)…loved it. The short story was a promising tease; their story needs to be told please.

  203. I’ve always had a soft spot for Ascanio…kinda wish could cross different Andrews universes and hook him up with Arabella. She’d sort him out and could see him falling to his knees in awe the minute she transformed. I don’t really like anyone yet for her, will have to wait and see.

    Really looking forward to Arabella stories as well as one for Roman.

  205. I’m down for most of these. Penhiro – this isn’t a ship anymore. The only way this evolves is of they catch him sneaking out of her room or there is a wedding.
    Karakun needs to happen. It would totally strengthen the story and be hilarious. “Oh that is Aunty Karat, ya when bad things happen we can call on the hope crushing horde and a large vampire clan.

  206. Metal Rose Metal Rose!
    *sets up wards around Penhiro*

    Also, I don’t have much opinion about Arabella, other than reeeeeeeally wanting her to get a book.

    And Leon. Can Leon have a book? We need to see how his self-appointed Dark Horse status shakes out given the stats

  207. who is out there shipping julie-saiman good god jail time, reminds me of arabella-augustine shippers lmao double jail time

  208. I am definitely in the minority here, but I was never on board Team Metal Rose. From the beginning I thought Julie would outgrow her puppy crush and they’d move into a sibling relationship. When Ascanio showed up I was like “oh, it’s the real love interest!” and I had the same reaction to Yu Fong. I still maintain that either of those would have been great with Julie! But I recognize that after Blood Heir all my hopes on this front are completely sunk.

    Totally onboard with the possibility of Karakun (they could go so many interesting places with it!), and Penelope and Benjiro are too cute for words.

    I ship Roman/Happiness. I just want him to end up with somebody!

    Anybody else ship Stoyan and Johanna from Iron and Magic? I love the idea of someone from each set of the advisors getting together. He loses his train of thought when she enters the room. And he started learning ASL for her! They’re adorable.

    • I liked Stoyan and Johanna too!! If we get to see Hugh again, I hope they get exposure ????

      • Me too! Thanks for the reminder.
        Not looking forward to seeing a major character killed off though in next Hugh and Elara book.

    • Yay! There’s two of us! I feel the same way. I always liked Yu Fong. But then again, I’m also team “Andrea/AnyoneotherthanRaphael”

  209. I didn’t realize how many ships I was aboard until you laid out at all the details. Metal Rose, Karakun, Michella, Penhiro, recovered at sea and a HEA for Roman. I’m aboard all of them????

  212. I’ll do like Dina when she build rooms and do incredible physic feats… i am ALL teams and will sail on all these ships ????

  213. Oh and Mod R?
    you’ll not only have to contend with some witch for Roman (small peanuts…), You will have ME to deal with. I will defy you in singular dual!!!!

    En Garde!!!!!!!!!!!!

  217. Love these. I like ‘Unbella’. For the future Arabella and Unknown future love.
    Also I do hope that someday Ilona And Gordon work with an artist to create and sell. BDH picture or T-shirt.

  219. Metal Rose! There could not have been a more perfect ending to Blood Heir ???? No way has it been 14 years though! It hasn’t, has it? You’re making me feel so OLD.

  220. I’m surprised no mentioned the possibility of “Karookie” = Karat + Cookie! He could bring some fun & lots of sneakiness to the vamps, and if their kids wore jewellery they could “sparkle” too. 😛

    P.S. I believe HA mentioned the possibility of a “sexy djinn” as a possibility in future, so does that mean that Mitchell (the uplifted Ghoul) might get in on the romancing?

  221. House Andrews needs to team up for another choose-your-own-adventure. The BDH can plug and play whomever we want together and see the chaos that unfolds.

  222. Loving your posts, Mod R.

    Have always been team Metal Rose. Couldn’t wait for Julie to grow up for something to happen with Derek and jumped for joy when Magic Stars was published.

    Can’t wait for Arabella too. Need to see more interaction between her and Stephen and also Michael as they both seem so reserved.

    Penjiro – both so deserving.

    I like all your other ships, Mod R, and would also love to see something happen for Augustine (He really needs someone to crack that shell open) .

    Cornelius deserves some new love too although tough act to follow as he had such a deep bond with Nari.

    So much to look forward to!

  223. Am I the only one shipping Derek/Ascanio? Possible triad with Derek/Ascanio/Julie?
    For me it screamed tension and lust ????

  224. See, Metal Rose and Penjiro are pretty much canon, so saying I ship it doesn’t say much.

    While I am 100% Team Karakun, I’m not sure that’s a Space Destroyer of Love so much as a Pleasure Cruiser (if you know what I mean).

    Who doesn’t want that super awesome vacation fling? Bonus in strengthened diplomatic relations too (as long as it didn’t end like Karat’s last f-buddy hookup, but I believe our Otrokar can handle it)

  225. Oh my, so many ships. I’m guessing I’m the lone dissenter on Metal Rose, I just don’t ship Derek and Julie. There’s just something that I just don’t like about the two of them that I can’t get behind them being together and I love each of their characters, though Derek a little more. ???? I don’t know who each should be with, I just feel that they should be with other people. Oh well.

  226. Is there a possibility in HL for Leon & one of Alessandro’s sisters to have a HFN? Mainly for the comedic effect of her trumping his Film Noirish comments with (stereotypical) Mafia film comebacks.

    Also, could Lorelei come back to provide Ascanio with a love interest that knows what it’s like to grow up as a spoilt brat?

  227. Michella and The Metal Rose – they would make a great goth metal band! ????

    (also those are my fave ships)

  228. Orro needs love interest outside cooking. I think a girl called Jellica, so the ship would be called….’Orojel’…..

  229. I love all the ships, but the good ship Karakun is my favorite. I REALLY want to see this ship sail beyond the horizon!

  230. Team Metal Rose???????????? 4ever! Also Arabella❤️Stephen, imagining her metamorphosing while in a kungfu fight with all the bad guys, in the middle of a bamboo forest, with Stephen Jiang manipulating a water sword next to her.

  232. Team Metal Rose all the way. He recognized her by how she rode the horse. Swoon. Also Magic Stars made it clear how they felt, especially him.

  233. Team Julie/Yu Fong until Derek seriously realizes what he can lose and steps up his wooing game. Make him work for it. Make him angst. Make him suffer like Julie suffered. Mua ha ha

  234. Gosh! So hard to choose! Julie and Derek ANNND— Arabella and a great one, writers choice.

  235. I always enjoy the shipping posts due to the hilarious ship images hahaha. If there’s no Innkeeper this week, it’s a good substitute lol. May House Andrews enjoy their well deserved vacation!

    Julie and Ascanio are like Kate and Hugh, witty banter and interesting interactions but more of a love/hatred dynamic. And to be sure, Ascanio was never as bad as Hugh and kidnapped Julie in a tower prison for days on end slowly starving her to death… I didn’t realize Team Metal Rose was the official name, I was thinking more Dulie or Jerek but Team Metal Rose is far more creative.

    Did we ever come up with a name for Kate/Curran and Sean/Dina? All I can come up with for Sean and Dina is Dean and that seems so boring lol (and just makes me think of Rory and Dean from Gilmore Girls so not helpful).

    Also clearly need to read Sweep of the Blade because for some reason I thought Karat might be gay or possibly bisexual, I dunno where I got that from! Also how is her name pronounced? Because I’ve just been saying Carrot in my head all this time. Is it Kah-rat or Kah-rot?

    • House Andrews say it “karat” as in “karate” without the e at the end, but as long as fans don’t fight about it, they’re usually very chill on reader pronunciation, so say it however comes naturally ????

  236. I know I’m late for the question time but…
    I’m re-reading KD I’m on book 2
    Ship wise…
    RED
    could he be a contender for a ship with Aurelia/Julie 10+ years later?

  237. I’m all in with the metal rose. One day I hope to see Romans story because he is just an amazing character with so much depth to explore. And I would be on board for a wlw ship for Arabella.

  239. Team Metal Rose – Hell Yes!
    But don’t you think that Karat (I mean c’mon she’s awesome) … could aim higher than Dagorkun?

    I just have a feeling that House Andrews could do better by her than … him. *sniffs disdainfully*

    I am entitled to my own ship even if you ****ers sink it ????

  241. I want the full story on George/Sophie AND I want a book where Jack finds his HEA…..& then a book on Gaston & then a book for Roman….& then a book for…pretty much everyone ????

  242. Well, mod R , thank you for the informative post.

    In regards to Beast and Gorvar— everyone has their own definition of love / affection/ friendship. Since both are independent minded intelligent beings not rocks, it’s their choice to make, ours to respect.

    I don’t have a particular ship. But it was entertaining what my fellow BDH think. Diversity makes the world go round. ????

  244. Thanks ModR, you rock. I was so happy when I opened the blog and saw you’d posted. This was so much fun!

  245. Team Metal Rose.

    And i also want to brag that I called Nickandra (Nick/ Desandra) right from the Conclave scene in Magic Breaks. {imagine a dancing walrus here }.
    Also, I love Jinglebella like my friend Al, but I did watch the House Andrews and Ms Frost discussion. so..

    But that is a ship for other times.

    I wish someone with Aunt B,s personality showed up for Ascanio and beat some sanity into him.

    • And I think Jack should be careful about vanishing into the woods for a couple years. William tried that, look where that got him?

  247. Full Metal Rose!!

    So you know that when I say the Karakun ship will fall to the artillery of the Good Ship Karton (slightly less bad than Gastat, but also funny), you know that I will not be moved.

  248. OK, I enjoyed this so much. From the original well written post (thank you Mod Romanismine- great pic of the two of you btw) to all the clever comments triggered by it.

    I laughed the most at the comments about how the families would react to Dagorkun. BDH has some hilarious minds as members. Someone in this thread mentioned a Klaus/Karat potential…caught my attention off the top, but Klaus has to find his family first I think.

    I am a fan of Julie and Derek, don’t actually see how it could be anybody else for either of them. They have too much history with such deep roots. It would hurt my feelings for them to be denied their HEA after everything.

    Speaking of HEA, I’m also a fan of the SotH embedded HEA. [Erased everything I wrote re this after that sentence because I don’t want to spoil anything for anyone.]

    Absolutely Benjiro, because they seem to be really well written for each other. Strong, yet gentle souls who could support each other and be even stronger for all those around them that are supported by them. I’m sure there are a couple of places where the Baylor ‘kids’ remark that they feel better when Heart is there. Kinda like a father makes a family feel better, safer.

    I agree with Leon being excellent story fodder. Somewhere in a previous blog I read some clever soul’s thought that Leon could be Baranovsky’s son and heir to that 3 billion dollars. If Leon did pair with one of Allesandro’s sisters he could probably clear out all the Sagredo debt and clear the way for the other younger sister to take over from her bad guy grandpa as head of the family. It would be fun to think of the crabby grandpa having to cope with a daughter being head of the family and it would be nice for Alessandro to be free of all that guilt and just able to love his family. I would have to get my head around why Aunt Gisela would be attractive to Baronovsky, who apparently is interested in unique and special women. Makes me curious about the mysterious, lousy mother who always has a boyfriend.

    Also earlier in this thread I read that someone thought Augustine and Lina should get together. Totally agree. Lina mentioned early on in the first trilogy that she takes two hours to get herself together in the morning. I think she totally lied and she’s an illusion mage. She changes so often and so flawlessly that illusion seems the most likely. The fact that she can make people think it’s just makeup means she’s probably even better than Augustine, because everybody looks at him and knows he’s one. Plus I like her wry sense of humour. I think Augustine would support a short story…I’d like to know what Augustine did with the information Catalina gave him to trade for the whereabouts of the lab where Alessandro was held. Did he get his satisfaction? I also suspect that Lina will have to quit MII before Augustine will see his way clear to take the needed steps.

    I would like to see a tiny bit about Bern and Runa’s nuptuals…no ideas about how that would fit, maybe as a link the way Nevada’s wedding was a bridge to the second trilogy? I just like the characters and, although they’re a little one dimensional, they’re still good. Bern picking up Runa from the floor when the mechanical spider was loose made me go ‘awwww.’ Plus it would provide more of the continuity that Ilona and Gordon do so very, very well (the older adult conversations, poor Grandma Frida having a traumatic event each series and the love interest having an integral role in her rescue, and so many other examples.)

    Would like to see more of the ‘next generation’ interactions. Matilda and Ragnar and their Jadwiga adventure made me laugh. It makes me happy that they’re friendly and teammates. Not sure they’re old enough to be shipping, but they make me smile fondly.

    Not sure Victoria needs to be matched to anybody. She stated quite clearly that there was only one man she would ever love. She seems to have a positive relationship with her child’s sperm donor, and with Caesar. Just not a loving one. I agree with the post early in the blog that posited that Victoria doesn’t cause her grandchildren physical harm. She seems to be employing the ‘hella tough love’ approach she used with her own son.

    Likewise Cornelius. We were told quite clearly that it was very unusual for him to have bonded with his wife and he’d probably never experience that again. He seems comfortable with his current life and finds satisfaction in his work and raising his child. The catharsis he realized after the meeting with Tatyana will likely smooth his life out even more.

    And finally, as for Arabella, I love the HA proposal that she not be limited to one potential love interest. I find Michael interesting, and I think Stephen has tons of room for character growth, but I also would like to find out more about Trevor. I agree with the earlier post that the Keeper is Caesar and I worry that Michael might be involved on the dark side. He was certainly painted dark by his description as looking like a gangster and his willingness to kill on the Keeper’s command. On the other hand he did warn Nevada that her deal for a favour to the Keeper was ‘a mistake’ so maybe he’s undercover or a secret good guy. Stephen is obviously straining at the seams to be the good son, jealous of his brother the bad son, and maybe he really did love the acting action. He seems to feel his sister gets away with things he can’t and it would be good for his parents to have to deal with their daughter as head of the house…just like the Sagredos 🙂 OK, might be waving my feminist flag a little there. But I really want to know more about Trevor. He runs the whole Tremaine shebang from the sound of things. He’s obviously in Victoria’s confidence and he has had some very interested powers hinted at. We have no idea the range and potential of what Arabella can do and I’m very interested in seeing how her magic emerges. She and Trevor could take over House Tremaine.

    So in my head we have House Baylor, House Rogan, House Baranovsky, House Harrison, House Etterson, House Sagredo, House Duncan and House Tremaine as a united/related power block, with softer links to House Montgomery and House Latimer.

    Dare I say it, they could rule the world 🙂 But then I think HA totally rules and so do their characters, and their Mod R.

  251. In truth I sail all of them, well except Gorval/Beast because that would be downright psydically painful for Beast. My number 1 ship is The Metal Rose but I also find Karakun quite intriguing!

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